There are a few silver (add 20%) plated ones, and a very few (add 30%) gold ones. It needed a full repadding which I got done in Brisbane and I used it for a number of years until I needed to pay for some home renovation,so I sold it off. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. To me, I think that since the term transitional is unofficial, it is easier and make more sense to apply it as it is defined- therefore to all saxophones from the end of the New Wonder Series II line that have any of the new features that eventually end up on the 6M. 20 July 2012 Cornet section: Replaced picture on 20A Flugelhorn (1926). SUPER 11951 18700 keys, pearl rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. The engraved near the serial number. It is rumoured that there is a scam, by which somebody who acquires your serial number can then claim the instrument is theirs. > Silver & Gold (1) I think this finish choice is possible, > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 6M Bare Brass (4) The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". - A horn Alto Magna $ 2300 There is no past damage, and there are no past repairs of any kind. Deduct 10% for lacquer, add 30% for gold. I find their intonation to be sketchy at best. in the elimination of the "buzzy A"; the octave Bare Brass (4) Please note that in order to help fund the site we may serve ads by via Google AdSense, and cookies may be used for personalisation of these ads to make them more relevant. These horns are much more desirable than any of their ancestors. MODELE 26 4451 11950 Thanks to the person that assembled this! Better feel and intonation than the Balanced.. that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" -the letterAat the end of most alto serial numbers in this period (andonlythis period) Baritone $ 3100. keywork before their alto and tenor siblings, which is a rather This is a beautiful original lacquer Conn 10M Tenor from the earliest period of the 10M (10M starts at 263k or so). Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. This is essentially a renamed Super with different engraving. Conn ws a highly organized and mechanized production. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I have only addressed instruments for which there is a regular and established market, so not every model is included. The Zephyr is a killer! Ask the seller privately for the number and do a search for that instrument. Some early 26Ms were also marked METRO or NATL, with serials suffixed AM or AN. that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" These are very common horns, which play rather nicely when set up properly. These later examples play very well, but you should deduct 50%.. All of this series is mostly found in lacquer, so add 25% for silver, and 35% for the very rare gold examples. Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. > Silver & Gold (1) But thealto model itself the model we today call 6M first appeared in 1931 and continued in production in various forms until Conn dropped its pro line saxes in 1969. keys and ferrules gold-plated and burnished. SUPER DYNACTION A serial network scheme with a small network size is designed for small user applications, and a parallel network scheme with high speed is designed for places such as data centres. STARTED at approximately s/n: - 220xxx for baritone rolled-tone-holes, Eb Baritone Naked Lady with Interesting to see, anyways. Conn never called these horns Chu Berry, but were stuck with the name. There are lots of variations on the Martin theme, and below are the ones that I think you should consider. Youll be unlikely to find them in anything but lacquer. The VIII featured a new microtuner, a one-piece, nonswivel thumbhook, and some unknown changes to the neck. Lady" engraving (might have only been high pitch models. About Conn-Selmer Conn-Selmer Careers Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility Latest News Accessibility Statement Contact Conn Selmer. Plate (6) Copyright 1994 - 2023. Some information may repeat between what I wrote and what he wrote, but trust me there is a ton of information here and the read is worth it if you are interested in Conn transitional altos! Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . rolled-tone-hole (LP), Bb Tenor Naked Lady with rolled-tone-hole Youll see these with different keywork styles, and almost always with elaborate engraving. More info: all pitches were completely transitioned to the "Naked the patent number 1119954 should not be confused with a serial number.) It is a late transitional 10M (notice no 10M stamp by the serial number quite yet) and it is original lacquer. - A horn Interestingly, the alto I have seen (206,xxxAX serial number, pictured below) has almost every feature to be found on the eventual 6M. 1927 catalog. Plate (2) necessarily indicative of a "Transitional" horn! It is playable but is in need of service. The Conn 6M Transitional Saxophone The name 6M "Transitional" is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. Conn Ltd. during the period of evolution from the New Wonder Series II alto saxophone to the 6M "Artist" alto saxophone. Ideally you should have a record of the serial number with your sales receipt and won your insurance details. only gold-plated horns I have seen throughout this series There is a very good reason that demand (and prices) for these horns is so high: although not without their quirks, these are wonderful instruments. WONDER through 150XXX SUPERBA I Horns made for the European market are often unengraved, and lacquered examples may have silver plated keywork. "Transitional" The Beauty of Saxophones: Fully Engraved 1932 Selmer Cigar Cutter Alto Saxophone, Original 1931 Conn Alto Saxophone Warranty Booklet. > Silver & Gold (1) LADY FACE/Naked Lady pentagram engraved on the bell. Beautiful Conn gold plated Art Deco Transitional model alto. Note: From 1987 to present, add 50 to the serial number prefix to calculate the year of manufacture. Sopranino $ 2000 Ive also heard that the X could stand for a horn that was used by Conn as a floor model of sorts for their education outreach programs. No,No, the M prefix denotes the ARTIST models eg.M266xxxA (my late tranny/6M). All Rights Reserved. Grafton Acrylic Alto Saxophone; HOLTON. in the 1930's to protect the finish, but this was not C melody $ 800 Gold Plate (00). This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Baritone Bb $7000 There seems to be more demand for the five digit horns, and some snobs reject the higher numbered examples. I've not seen Finish 5 on any "My Conn Bari Sax has a n at the beginning of the serial number so this [the earlier post that N = clarinet] must be wrong." soon found their way to the tenor. 1, 1881 C.G. > Satin Gold Plate (0) If not, it could be this (rare, so unlikely) model: 8B Symphony Grand (Gustat). is characterized by: 1. Play one in good adjustment and youll see what I mean. Those serials started with a 'C'. Please also note that "burnished" means "mirror-like" Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Alto $ 2000 Eb Alto Naked Lady with Less evident > Satin Gold Plate (0) 1991. Mostly in lacquer, add 10% for silver. and are not included)(5): Similar adjustments for finish. Website copyright 1997-2006 by Pete Hales. Year Range; Serial Range; True Tone - Buescher Manufacturing Co. 1894 - 1904: 1 - 2499: True Tone - Buescher Band Instrument Co. 1904 - 1905: 2500 . Alto $ 2300 I have personally worked on two tenors and an alto built by Conn that were stamped with an X after the serial number. [About > Nickel Plate (6) All the new ones have a yellow Baritone $6500 There are a few low A baritones. The differences in the variations are pretty minor, mostly in mechanism. There seem to be very few people (outside of a few collectors) buying these horns. HOME > SAXOPHONE > Saxophone Info > Serial Numbers. VII No. The pre 1960 horns follow the numbers well. The later examples have better intonation in the upper end than the earlier examples. finish choice is mentioned on the Conn model, but with split bell keys. 6M Eb Alto YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. split bell keys to bell keys on one side of the horn (LH side Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. "Transitional" refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series of horns. More than with any other model, condition is everything. Once this initial batch with the NM stamp is done, the stamp disappears- probably because there was no reason to differentiate anymore as all horns were now the New Model. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. Plate (2) that doesn't have "6M" . The problem up to now has been that no one has made any measurements or other tests on these particular horns. Straight soprano $2000 http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnSerialsConnWW.html. Tenor $1400 > Satin Gold Plate (0) Ive never seen a gold example. saxophones. Curved Bb Soprano 1991 4100000. Bizarrely, one of them sportedstraight toneholes. I have a customer who owns one. C instruments and the 16V Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. vintage alto saxophone top tenons for alto saxophone. 32. If you have an undamaged and completely original Conn neck with or without the stamp and also know how to use calipers correctly and feel like helping out, please send me the following measurements in thousands of an inch: A: the inside diameter of the neck cork end MODELE 22 750 4450 Search. I have based my valuations upon the following assumptions: (1) the instrument is in perfect playing condition and needs nothing in terms of repair (2) the finish is original and completely intact (3) the original case is intact (4) the instrument has not been altered or modified from its original condition, having the correct style pads, springs, no neck pickups etc. About the 6Mand the stamp (Paul Lindemeyer). In other words, Also keep in mind that the Conn instruments all used a letter for the family. Straight soprano $1600 Add 20% for gold and 40% for gold with artist engraving and mother of pearl key touches. 6 When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. You can buy two wonderful old Conns for what some people are asking for Selmers of the same era. 16V Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone. Eb Alto the only horn that had any DESIGN CHANGES was the Eb alto. 6, 1882 C.G. direct mechanical action. 5 Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers. my donation or the profits from the banner ads & calendar going toward? Soprano $1500 Granlund Woodwind -- Saxophones for sale -- Clarinets for sale -- Mouthpieces for sale -- Clarinets for rent. No one knows. or Best Offer. C Melody Tenor > Silver & Gold (1) This is NOT original. 7 note that there are later relacquered generally feature a stylized full "Naked Lady" in Its important that the serial numbers on the neck match the body. Add 20% for gold plate. Alto $ 1800 Very dark tone, great workmanship. The new model alto was part of a redesign of most of the Conn saxophone line, taking place one model at a time, from 1928-34. I've seen a couple of horns refurbished Model: Start # End # Worcester: 1 (1888) 3,200 (1898) Wonder Improved: unknown (1895) 41,000 (1917) New Invention: 16,000 (1910) 23,000 (1912) . Starting at #268xxx (1935) was the deluxe 26M Connqueror(additional info here), with the permadjust key foot system, redesigned LH pinkies, and solid silver touches. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. .Ive seen a couple of Committee models with sterling silver necks. a common practice to get old bare-brass horns lacquered Both tenors weremuch like a New Wonder Series II transitional- that is, they were mostly New Wonder Series II but with the raised side E and improved palm key spatulas and no forked Eb. From the Committee on, they are almost always lacquer. > Nickel Plate (6) But what does the A suffixmean? > Silver Alto Zephyr $1800 Ive seen a couple of people pay some really stupid prices for these. This is a Conn 6M Transitional alto saxophone in original silver plate with original case and mouthpiece in excellent physical condition with serial number 252xxx dating it to mid 1932. examples with a lacquer body with silver What's don't ask for the web address because i don't remember. It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best. Gold Plate (0) pearl and pearl rollers Tenor $ 3200 A or nickel keys. thumbrest on some models. Tenor $ 800 At the same time theprefixletter M, used on all saxes since 1924, is dropped. Silver plate commands a 20% premium; gold a 30% premium. The last major feature to change over was the pinky table, which is a New Wonder II style (albeit with a smooth rather than crosshatched G#) until about 249,xxx. Tenor $2200 C melody $ 800 I believe that the models before the Balanced Action are overpriced. horn. 1989 3900000. B: the inside diameter of the inner sleeve of the tunable neck (you will need to complete unscrew the tuner barrel to get to it) This may just be paranoia as I have never heard of this happening, nor can I understand how it could happen. swivel thumbrest Conn produced their first horns with a lacquer body and nickel Ive seen some 400 baris, but none with top hat and cane engraving or other distinctive features of this series. Most of the Zephyr series was in lacquer, add 15% for silver. Serial Numbers. (etc.) The necks have a new, quicker-changing microtuner. bored :). Curved soprano $2500 I will be adding more soon, as well as checking for accuracy and updating these with more historical and instrument information. prices of the earlier New Wonder models quoted on the appropriate The Mark VI was an impossible act to follow. 18M Bb Soprano, Straight My late transitional is zippier and slightly brighter. Tenor Magna $ 3200 Models The chance this was stolen from the assembly line are near 0, there would be a clear account of how many were produced in a day and who handled them. RADIO IMPROVED 18701 21750 Although the word transitional is a word that has been applied after the fact by saxophone enthusiasts, it may be more appropriate to refer to these saxophones as the New Model, because, The Very First Transitionals- The New Model. On the one hand, this could simply mean that a body tube was stamped accidentally in the second digit with a zero- which would give it a serial from an earlier run, and the X was to denote a horn with a duplicate serial number. Please Take a look at THIS Straight soprano $ 2000 bis and G moved to their own pivot screws, upper stack rod significantly shortened (saxophones are still designed this way today) Conn Trumpet Notes - Vol. Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". horns (regardless of any additonal art-deco filigree) until However, Baritone $ 3400 has no chromatic F# > Satin Gold Plate (0) a list of model numbers for Conn saxophones from the 20th century. hand burnished. redesigned low Eb/C touchpieces From 1965 until 1988, these fine German horns (manufactured by J. Keilworth) were distributed at various times by W. T. Armstrong and Conn. Baritone $1800 Satin during this era you could get: - A horn JavaScript is disabled. Lucky you! - A horn The following list is by no means complete or even correct. After the mid 1950s, the Zephyr became an intermediate model, so deduct 30%. It is near mint condition, even though it is 75 years old! ARISTOCRAT 270XXX 290XXX > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 8M The tone is nice and warm and fat with a solid core- and could be used for anything from big band to small group jazz and even classical with the right mouthpiece. Bare Brass (4) > Nickel Plate (6) Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. rolled-tone-hole (LP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with Brown rollers always, as well as snap in pads and Norton springs. available with the large variety of New Wonder finishes. It works only in coordination with the primary cookie. The British connection may explain also the less than revealing lady. Some models certainly command the highest prices. Plate (2) The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Sources:Allied SupplyMusic TraderConn Loyalist, 1980-1986 numbers are inexact, and may relate only to student level trumpets/cornets. Baritone $3300, SUPERBA II Many companies make other instruments, not just saxophones and the serial numbers are spread over their entire range. Of course, this is The Big Daddy Rabbit With the Fuzzy Tongue. They are undervalued. full Transitional glory: M series keywork and art deco engraving. 269169, and this is 269167. that is essentially a 6M (etc.) Google DoubleClick IDE cookies are used to store information about how the user uses the website to present them with relevant ads and according to the user profile. > Silver & Gold (1) Around number 272XXX, the Super 20 was introduced. Baritone $3400. Silver examples bring about a 20% premium; gold plate about 30% more. This series is characterized by: The evolution in keywork design. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. Here are a few things to bear in mind: When advertising an instrument for sale, you will often see the serial number referred to as 36xxxx. 1990 4000000. 8M C Melody Tenor > Bare Brass (4) In addition, there are some interesting neck variations that show up during the transitional period that last through the first few years of regular 6M production. I No. Granlund Woodwind Repair The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. The VIII stamp appears until about 1945 (#315xxx). Baritone $3000. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. The line continued to evolve, * The S prefix, while used until the mid-80s, was not always seen on serial numbers. They play rather nicely. rolled-tone-hole (HP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with Mouthpiece and case is included. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. The 10M production stayed in Elkhart until the end. Tenor $1200 engraving choices you could get or Conn engravers just got Search. SN: 246065 Gold Plate Art Deco Transitional SN: 248650 RARE Transitional 6M in Gold Plate SN: 250151 Gold Plate Transitional 6M SN: 250404 Silver Plate Transitional 6M SN: 250669 Lacquer Transitional 6M SN: 254135 Silver Plate Transitional 6M SN: 257986 Gold Plate Transitional 6M SN: 267736 TENOR SAX Experimental "Transitional" Prototype SN: 247803 1, 1881 C.G. front F redesigned The horns made during that time are almost all Transitional 6Ms, identical to later 6Ms except for certain neck details (not all known, as summarized above) and, of course, the swivel thumbhook. *1980 - 1986 serial numbers are for student trumpet and cornets only. C soprano $1000 It seems to have been > Burnished high F (from Steve For altos, the serial number range of the transitional horns is roughly 234,000 to 270,000- give or take a few- which means from roughly 1930 to 1935. 6 : Body heavily nickel plated and highly polished, pearl to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series CONN. WONDER through 150XXX Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. . These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! 262xxx is a transitional, that plays like a 6M . Baritone $ 2800. Alto $ 2200 (It may possibly just have been the NATL neck, as at least one sax has been noted with both stampings). Deduct 25% for horns after this number. They play much better! All of the Martin horns have a sweet sound, and a very lush lower end. 3811713 - 3821881. There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing manufacturers and saxophone enthusiasts charts. They lost their rolled tone holes after WWII. I found this list while shopping for information and thought it nice to have on hand. Jun 11, 2021. -the 26M Connqueror series beginning in 1935 (also offered with an optional overslung neck ofyet anotherdesign) Used with permission.). Alto $1800 The information for this chart was compiled from a number design) were probably discontinued by this time. 2 ("Silver, Gold Bell"): Body heavily silver plated, New Wonder saxophone. Soprano $1500 Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. Pictures/sounds/etc. They are the best of the vintage baritones. I thought this was standard on the gold plated Serial Numbers section: Replaced Conn brass Serial Number list with version Revision 1. Soprano $2000 with a gold body and silver keywork (finish 1), but I have Fat sound and great intonation. 14M Bb Bass sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, inside of